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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:14 pm 
Faethor: Nope, no red lamp seen yet. But my longest ride so far with the Kitaco installed is not much more than 25km or so. Hope I will do some longer rides this summer.

Today I added a new exhaust to the equation. Did not really get the result I was hoping for. Needless to say, the Leo Vince muffler I bought flows a lot better than the stock I had. Apparently so much better the engine chokes on full throttle. Most likely a sign of engine running lean right? I am running slot three map on the Kitaco which seems to be the proper choice, but engine feels okay only up to half throttle, and just noisy and weak on WOT. As a matter of fact, my Zoomer may very well be the noisiest Zoomer in all of northern Europe. :wasted:


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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:41 am 
Thanks Freddo for the update. Concerning the Leo pipe, I have heard from a guy here that it is just unbearable noise so he has to switch back to the stock one:) Concerning the choking- do you have an open intake or are you still rocking the stock airbox?

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:43 pm 
hi everybody
my zoomer is equiped with polini exaust, CDI and variator
i will buy kitaco Imap, no compatibility problems with polini CDI??
you think performance will be better with kitaco vriator than my polini?

and a last question, yosh TRC carbon/inox exaust are compatible with our european FI zoomer or not?

thank you a lot dudes

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:56 pm 
AcaciaPiks wrote:
hi everybody
my zoomer is equiped with polini exaust, CDI and variator
i will buy kitaco Imap, no compatibility problems with polini CDI??
you think performance will be better with kitaco vriator than my polini?

and a last question, yosh TRC carbon/inox exaust are compatible with our european FI zoomer or not?

thank you a lot dudes

julien


Hi Julien, I am envy as you live at wonderful place- a lot of my surfing friends told me great stories about Hossegor:)
As to your questions-compatibility- no problem as you run one or another. Polini CDI has the same function as the Imap so you have to choose one:) If you are asking because of the muffler and variator, no problem here, I think the polini vario is quite good so you dont have to switch for kitaco.
Concerning the yosh, I am afraid this one does not have the lamba (O2 sensor) slot on the header as it is not for the FI model so you have to drill it and install separatedly. But some people already did it (i think Famicomdisk rocks one). So no issue here, but it will not be bolt on.

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:17 am 
Faethor wrote:
Thanks Freddo for the update. Concerning the Leo pipe, I have heard from a guy here that it is just unbearable noise so he has to switch back to the stock one:) Concerning the choking- do you have an open intake or are you still rocking the stock airbox?

Yepp, without the insert, it is very loud. But loud i a nice deep grumpy way. :mrgreen: No, since i added the OTTO stretch kit, the stock airbox is gone. I just use a large diameter rubber bend and a foam filter and a ghetto style box. Amazing how much noise that comes from the intake alone. Trying to find a better solution for boxing in the filter. Today I replaced the Leo with the stock muffler and the engine runs better. If the engine does not get the fuel it needs, I might as well try mapping the Kitaco too.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:00 am 
AcaciaPiks wrote:
hi everybody
my zoomer is equiped with polini exaust, CDI and variator
i will buy kitaco Imap, no compatibility problems with polini CDI??
you think performance will be better with kitaco vriator than my polini?

and a last question, yosh TRC carbon/inox exaust are compatible with our european FI zoomer or not?

thank you a lot dudes

julien


Yes I have the Yosh TRC Carbon, it's perfect for the Zoomer F1. As stated it doesnt have an 02 sensor but you dont need one - just get the eliminator off ebay -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... AQ:GB:1123
Also the Yosh doesnt come with a gasket - I used this one which fits perfectly onto the manifold; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280655872787? ... 1439.l2649


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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:31 am 
yes hossegor is a good place but my zoomer doesn't like oxidation of ocean...
thank you for reponses
i think in a first time i will install kitaco cone muffler and longer kitaco transmition gear.
maybe after variator.

you think i can install kitaco imap with polini CDI or i must back stock CDI?

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:06 am 
Freddo, as Coki stated, it seems that the leo downpipe is too wide for the imap. I also feel with the polini pipe the imap it isnt so strong as it was with the polini cdi. If you run the open intake, thats fine, there should be not a problem with the engine bogging due to lack of air. I think you dont have to box it-I use the kitaco foam filter which is perfect even when it is raining- the water does not go through the first layer of the raw mesh...
Concerning the mapping- you should go to someone who knows what is doing-I got it to guys who are mapping big circuit bikes-I recommend someone like that for the job....

Julien, the issue of the compatibility is, that you have to take out the polini out to rock the imap, as the polini is installed in serial to the stock cdi, so it start operating in a given extend of rpms- it overtakes the stock cdi at about 6800rpms- you could feel the "kick" once you go to that spectrum of rpms and higher-the engine feels like it has awaken...so if you would like to install imap, you should take out the polini, as the imap is connected directly to the stock cdi and is overtaking the control over the functions of the injectors and rev limiter. This does the polini also, but in less sophisticated matter as it just kicks in in the given rpm range and overtakes the control over the engine. So you should take it out to run the kitaco as I dont think these two ecu could work together. At the end, both polini same as imap are the secondary ecus and +/- have similar functions.

As to the muffler, Ill not recommend you to install the o2 eliminator as the FI zoomer engine runs the closed system- the ecu(cdi) is taking information from the sensor in the muffler and recalculates the fuel mixture for the intake. If you will take it out, ecu shall not have the information from the outtake so it will not work properly-it will be sending in the same ratio all the time which could be good at sunny days but not in rain or in winter.

The o2 sensor is one of the advances we have in fi engines in comparison with the carburetor run engines and it helps the engine to balance the changes in the atmospheric humidity and the altitude so you dont have to mess with the jets all the time-it just adapts itself automatically. Eliminating this function, especially when living by the sea is in my opinion a nonsense. And I understand it could be harsh for your bike in the salty airs! But you could go for the eliminator-whatever floats your boat-but keep in mind that the Japanese engineers put there the o2 sensor for a reason....

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:15 am 
thank you, i had read imap give more RPM
do you now this one? it's not the imap but other from kitaco, says 12000rpm but very expencive
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZOOMER-RUCKUS-F ... 132wt_1165

my zoomer, in next week rear light will be cut and replace by LEDs under seat tube

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:32 am 
You can set imap or customized it to 15000 rpm, but it can blow your engine :lol:
Imap is the latest version from Kitaco so far.
Just becareful, check the catalogue first.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:06 am 
i think i will use imap in position 3 (12000rpm i think) with kitaco variator, longer final gear and delta cone muffler, i will be are a good deal
for variator i think install 5g rollers for my 90kg, you think it's good?

i will sold my polini set exaust,variator and CDI

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:25 pm 
AcaciaPiks wrote:
thank you, i had read imap give more RPM
do you now this one? it's not the imap but other from kitaco, says 12000rpm but very expencive
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZOOMER-RUCKUS-F ... 132wt_1165

my zoomer, in next week rear light will be cut and replace by LEDs under seat tube

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That's the one that I have - it just overrides the stock ECU, I can't be sure if it does anything else. But I know with a few other tweaks I can hit 45mph with that Kitaco.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:32 pm 
ok good, 45mph/70 75kmh is a good speed.
i hope i will could ride at this speed with all kitaco parts i want buy.


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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:37 am 
I have a spare R6 taillight, brand new and still in box if youre interested. Looks like this:

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Actually I might have two, but will have to make sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Kitaco CDi for FI Zoomer
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 1:39 pm 
concerning the kitaco cdis...there are two of them. One you have listed supra, which works similarly as the polini, and then the imap, which is programmable-http://japan.webike.net/products/1919261.html which has 4 slots, 3 with pre-programmed fuel maps and one for your own....

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